Dr Joshua BalÂsters, GorilÂla
@DrBalsters
Full TranÂscript:
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Okay. Thank you very much, Joe. Thanks for getÂting me up here. So, can you write in the chat, just tell me you can see the screen? Type, “See screen” into the chat for me, just so I know that you can see my slides. I’m not going to be just talkÂing to air. All right, brilÂliant. Thank you, everyÂone. That’s great. So, thank you for comÂing to join us today. My name is Joshua BalÂsters. It feels like a long time ago now. I used to be a lecÂturÂer in the PsyÂcholÂoÂgy DepartÂment at RoyÂal Holloway.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Well, I guess before that, I was just going from postÂdoc to postÂdoc. I spent quite a few years doing almost every kind of research realÂly. I’ve done attenÂtion studÂies, memÂoÂry, role-based learnÂing, social deciÂsion makÂing, valÂue-based deciÂsion makÂing, some brain imagÂing stuff. I think that’s why Jo wantÂed me to come online to talk a bit about this, tryÂing to conÂdense all of that research expeÂriÂence to give you some hints and tips about takÂing work online. Some of the things that we’ve seen, espeÂcialÂly over the last year with GorilÂla users, what are some of the best ways to take your research online?
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So essenÂtialÂly, we’re going to start off just by introÂducÂing this quesÂtion, why should you go online? What are the benÂeÂfits to you? We’re going to talk a litÂtle bit about the chalÂlenges and some of the rebutÂtals, the things that pesky review or two is going to probÂaÂbly say to you. We’re going to talk about some of the pracÂtiÂcal conÂsidÂerÂaÂtions, some of the realÂly useÂful tips and tricks that we’ve been pickÂing up at GorilÂla and things we’ve picked up in othÂer places to try and help you out and help you creÂate the best online experÂiÂment posÂsiÂble. I’m going to go through some inspiÂraÂtional stoÂries as well, some realÂly brilÂliant examÂples of some of the kinds of just astoundÂing research that you can take and you can take online.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, I think in three simÂple words, why should you take your research online? Speed, scale, and reach. I think these are realÂly the three pilÂlars of online research. The speed with which you can colÂlect data when you’re workÂing online, I still find this absoluteÂly fasÂciÂnatÂing. It’s just incredÂiÂble thinkÂing about the months I used to spend doing non-online research, doing lab-based research. In fact, now with online research, I grab a sandÂwich. By the time I get back, my experÂiÂmenÂt’s done. I think it’s absoluteÂly incredÂiÂble the speed that you can colÂlect data with online. The imporÂtant thing about that speed and it’s something
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I think for everyÂone, no matÂter what stage in your career you are, whether you decide to stay in acadÂeÂmia or leave, that speed allows you to buy back your time. That’s probÂaÂbly one of the most imporÂtant assets we have, our time. So, in my perÂsonÂal opinÂion, you don’t realÂly learn that much after havÂing 10 parÂticÂiÂpants through the lab and you’ve probÂaÂbly refined your spiel, you’re betÂter at explainÂing your experÂiÂments to people.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
After that, you’re not realÂly gainÂing anyÂthing in terms of skills. It’s just time that’s being conÂsumed. WhereÂas with online research, you’re buyÂing back that time, because it is just done for you in a matÂter of hours rather than months. That means you’ve got free time on your hands and you can decide what to do. You can decide whether it’s betÂter to learn a new analyÂsis type skill, read around your subÂject more, get around to writÂing your paper, or just have a glass of wine and watch someÂthing nice on NetÂflix and take a bit of time for you. BuyÂing back your time is probÂaÂbly the most imporÂtant thing, I think, about movÂing your research online.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
But on top of that, we also have the scale of online research. With lab-based research, there’s this linÂear relaÂtionÂship. If I want twice as many subÂjects, it takes twice as long to colÂlect. You don’t have that with online research. If I want to go 2 times, 3 times, 10 times as many parÂticÂiÂpants, it’s usuÂalÂly a small fracÂtion of time that you are adding on to your data colÂlecÂtion, rather than douÂbling, tripling, expoÂnenÂtialÂly increasÂing your time to colÂlect data. With that, you also get rich. Rich works in two ways, which is quite interÂestÂing. The first of all, it allows you to find parÂticÂiÂpants who you wouldÂn’t norÂmalÂly get to work with. I found this when I was in IreÂland, I did a lot of aging research.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
The elderÂly indiÂvidÂuÂals were absoluteÂly wonÂderÂful, but I think after a while you realÂize the elderÂly indiÂvidÂuÂals who are able to make the efforts to come into a labÂoÂraÂtoÂry and do research with you, these aren’t perÂhaps the typÂiÂcal elderÂly indiÂvidÂuÂals. You’re missÂing out, for examÂple, on lots of peoÂple who might have difÂferÂent kinds of physÂiÂcal pain, hip probÂlems, knee probÂlems. These peoÂple can’t come into the lab and see you. You’re missÂing out on researchÂing with them. So, online research means that you can send research into peoÂple’s homes. So, it means you get a more repÂreÂsenÂtaÂtive samÂple and it means in line with the idea of scale. You’re increasÂing the numÂber of parÂticÂiÂpants in what is someÂtimes quite difÂfiÂcult to acquire populations.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
This is great, obviÂousÂly, in terms of reproÂducibilÂiÂty. The BeOnline ConÂferÂence, well, this conÂferÂence obviÂousÂly, we’ve got a great sesÂsion tomorÂrow afterÂnoon, wrapÂping everyÂthing up with Jo and a numÂber of othÂer wonÂderÂful speakÂers to talk about ReproÂducibilÂiÂty 2.0. The othÂer thing as well is we have, just before that, Jonathan Tsay. He’s going to be doing a symÂpoÂsium about motor conÂtrol online. In preÂviÂous chats, he’s told us that the abilÂiÂty to take his work online has opened up a whole new parÂticÂiÂpant pool and we’re increasÂing the samÂple sizes in that parÂticÂiÂpant pool. So, I think these are some of the key benÂeÂfits for online research. Online research was on the rise anyÂway pre-pandemic.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
From what we hear from our clients, it’s been the push they needÂed to get online and start doing online research. Most likeÂly, what’s going to hapÂpen is that online research is here to stay. What we’re hearÂing is that most peoÂple are going to do a comÂbiÂnaÂtion of lab-based and online studÂies now on. So, it’s imporÂtant that you get familÂiar with online research as it becomes increasÂingÂly comÂmonÂplace for all the reaÂsons that I’ve just mentioned.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
For all the superÂviÂsors out there, this quote means a lot to me. Being able to test online means my research doesÂn’t grind to a halt. This was espeÂcialÂly imporÂtant for my PhD stuÂdents, I did not want their research and menÂtal health sufÂfer, because they couldÂn’t carÂry out their studÂies. Now, I was in the sitÂuÂaÂtion with my own PhD stuÂdent. She had a magÂnifÂiÂcent MRI study. The day she was about to start testÂing, we had to shut the whole MRI scanÂner down.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I think this hapÂpened to a lot of peoÂple. I’m sure there’s a lot of symÂpaÂthy out there for peoÂple who’ve been in this sitÂuÂaÂtion. Online research, I think, it’s going to help peoÂple, like I said, buy back their time and it’s going to increase the well-being of a lot of peoÂple doing research. For me, that’s realÂly the most imporÂtant thing, buyÂing back your time with online research.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I’m going to jump now and talk a litÂtle bit about the chalÂlenges of online research, the criÂtiques that you often hear about online research. This is David Ogilvy who you might not have heard of. ApparÂentÂly, he was the inspiÂraÂtion for Don DrapÂer in Mad Men. He was quite a famous marÂket researcher. He has this very famous quote that “The trouÂble with marÂket research is that peoÂple don’t think how they feel, they don’t say what they think, and they don’t do what they say.” I think this is a great quote for all behavÂioral sciÂence, to be honÂest, but I think a lot of peoÂple have always conÂsidÂered online research to just be surÂvey based.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
This is their criÂtique. Well, I need to do someÂthing that gets at some of the implicÂit behavÂioral paraÂmeÂters, things that go beyond what peoÂple say, go beyond your traÂdiÂtionÂal surÂvey-based research. How can I do that online? Well, now we know there are increasÂingÂly a numÂber of platÂforms that are makÂing that availÂable and allowÂing you to creÂate absoluteÂly wonÂderÂful experÂiÂments online, which are incredÂiÂbly comÂplex and sophisÂtiÂcatÂed. I’m going to talk about just a couÂple of these at the end of this talk.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Now, yeah, once we move online, you might have to think, “Oh, God, do I need to learn anothÂer proÂgramÂming lanÂguage?” If you were like me, I trained in MATLAB, which is becomÂing pretÂty much a defunct lanÂguage. I startÂed learnÂing Python and R. And then online research came and I just thought, “Oh, my God. Now I need to learn HTML and JavaScript. RealÂly?” BasiÂcalÂly, you don’t have to anyÂmore. There are a lot of amazÂing tools out there, which allow you to do a lot of things just using a stanÂdard graphÂiÂcal user interÂface, nice drag and drop interface.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
In fact, if you want to find out more about that, I wrote a blog piece for GorilÂla a couÂple weeks ago. It was a very catharÂtic blog piece, I have to say. I got a lot of demons out talkÂing about those evil red lines of code. You can have a read of that. EssenÂtialÂly, the point is you don’t need to worÂry about learnÂing a new proÂgramÂming lanÂguage. You can go out there and you can creÂate wonÂderÂful experÂiÂments withÂout needÂing a line of code.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Now, I think the biggest chalÂlenge for online research is this idea that online research is inherÂentÂly flawed and that parÂticÂiÂpants are going to behave badÂly. They’re not going to give you the type of data qualÂiÂty that you get in the lab. I would chalÂlenge this asserÂtion. I don’t think it’s necÂesÂsarÂiÂly true. In fact, Jo EverÂshed wrote a realÂly nice blog piece preÂviÂousÂly about the illuÂsion of conÂtrol. We talk about these criÂtiques of online research, this idea that, “Oh, well, obviÂousÂly, they are going to be just pressÂing the spaceÂbar with one hand while playÂing FortÂnite with the othÂer hand or watchÂing the EngÂland game latÂer on,” for example.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I don’t think that’s a fair critÂiÂcism. I think when we think about lab-based testÂing, we paint it as this picÂture of puriÂty, when it realÂly is not. For examÂple, I’m sure every now and again, we’ve driftÂed off in the midÂdle of an experÂiÂment in a lab and our mind has gone off to wanÂderÂing, espeÂcialÂly if it’s a bit of a borÂing experÂiÂment. Now, as well, you can see in terms of qualÂiÂty, well, there are obviÂousÂly disÂtracÂtions in the lab. PeoÂple go in with their phones. They go in with their smartÂwatchÂes on. They’ll get buzzers. There’ll be othÂer disÂtracÂtions. So, the point that I would like to raise, I would, first of all, like to chalÂlenge this idea that the lab is someÂhow the ground truth of behavior.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I think in a lot of ways you can argue it is an unreÂalÂisÂtic sitÂuÂaÂtion. Again, thinkÂing latÂer on, I think there’s going to be some chats about this in the ReproÂducibilÂiÂty 2.0 sesÂsion tomorÂrow. So, idea that lab-based testÂing may not be the ground truth we think it is. That said, I would also say that if you design good experÂiÂments, then you can get just as good data qualÂiÂty out of an online study that you would get in the lab. I’m going to show you just a handÂful of examÂples that prove that is the case.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
These are what we think about, our sevÂen-step guide for sucÂcessÂfulÂly doing an online study. These are just some sugÂgesÂtions and a way of thinkÂing about buildÂing your next online experÂiÂments and the things that you should conÂsidÂer. First of all, conÂsidÂer your study, what is the best study to get startÂed with, espeÂcialÂly if you are new to online research? What’s the best study to take? I think, perÂsonÂalÂly, I would say start with someÂthing that you’re familÂiar with. It’s the best way to get startÂed on this.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Rather than takÂing a whole brand new topÂic, as well as takÂing on a whole brand new domain with online research. Why don’t you start sayÂing, “Well, this is what I did in the lab. So, let’s try it online”? It’s always great to have these kinds of sanÂiÂty checks, litÂtle things that can be built into your study that will help you feel conÂfiÂdent about what you are doing. So, when you’re selectÂing a study, I’ve recÂomÂmend tryÂing to do that.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
The next thing we’re going to talk about is buildÂing the study. What do you need to build your experÂiÂment? These are a couÂple things to bear in mind, I think, some key things relatÂed to online research. First thing, I would say, is you need clear and conÂcise instrucÂtions. I can’t stress this enough. What I would say is that you’re not conÂfined any more to the lab-based design, where you typÂiÂcalÂly would have an A4 sheet of paper with your instrucÂtions writÂten all over it and you would say, “Oh, read this. If you have any quesÂtions, let me know.” First of all, you’re not there to answer any quesÂtions, but also, it’s a very borÂing and forÂmal way of doing things. As you’ve moved online, why not change essenÂtialÂly? We can do things in any forÂmat now.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
One of the things I realÂly enjoy as part of my time at GorilÂla is GorilÂla AcadÂeÂmy. One of the things I have in there is a social influÂence task, a real fun thing that I made, where we see the influÂence RotÂten TomaÂtoes has on your behavÂior. WithÂin that, what I decidÂed to do, rather than havÂing a lengthy block of text to explain parÂaÂdigm, I just made a video of me doing the task and talkÂing through the triÂal. I think someÂtimes that’s just the easÂiÂest way of doing things. So, don’t feel conÂstrained by the way you used to do things in the lab. You can adapt and do lots of crazy new things with online research.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
In fact, this YouTube link, which we’re going to make accesÂsiÂble latÂer on, this links to Simone’s research. Simone is actuÂalÂly going to be speakÂing next after me, the first speakÂer in the BufÂfet of Research secÂtion. So, defÂiÂniteÂly, you want to lisÂten to her. She’s got so many top tips, it’s not even real. Yeah, her videos are amazÂing. She talks to how to take an incredÂiÂbly comÂpliÂcatÂed eye trackÂing study. She has the most beauÂtiÂful, detailed instrucÂtions. That’s the kind of thing that you want to be going for.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, next thing I want to talk about is keep it short. This is someÂthing that we recÂomÂmend with our online studÂies. If you can, it’s not always posÂsiÂble, but if you can, try to keep your studÂies to 5 to 10 minÂutes. That’s going to realÂly help. The othÂer thing as well is to use progress bars and this realÂly helps a lot with attriÂtion. If a parÂticÂiÂpant can see how many triÂals along they are, then they’re going to be able to say, “Oh, I’ve only got a small secÂtion left. I should keep going.” Rather than someÂbody who’s done 95% of the study, dropÂping out are the last 5%. So, I think that’s going to be incredÂiÂbly helpÂful. If you can, build in breaks.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
For a lot of reaÂsons with online studÂies, if peoÂple know that they’re going to get a break every five minÂutes, that’s incredÂiÂbly helpÂful for them. So, that’s someÂthing to bear in mind as well. If you can, include vigÂiÂlance checks. So, with GorilÂla AcadÂeÂmy, again, this was a difÂferÂent one. This was the attenÂtion study. It was a beauÂtiÂful experÂiÂment by PolÂly DalÂton lookÂing at dichotÂic lisÂtenÂing and you hear the voicÂes all around your head. It’s like you’re in the room, but it only works if you have headÂphones in. So, if someÂbody just has their speakÂers on, it won’t work.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, in order to get around that and make sure peoÂple were lisÂtenÂing with their headÂphones, I had a litÂtle litÂmus check that just said, “Can you hear this noise on the left or the right?” You wouldÂn’t be able to tell from your speakÂers, but in the headÂphones, it’s obviÂous. So, have these litÂtle vigÂiÂlance checks built into your study. What you’ll see when I went to anaÂlyze the data is that by excludÂing indiÂvidÂuÂals that failed the vigÂiÂlance check, I increased my effect size. I was able to actuÂalÂly pre-regÂisÂter those excluÂsion criÂteÂria because of pilotÂing, which is what I’m actuÂalÂly going to come to in a second.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Now, the next thing as well is this debrief quesÂtionÂnaire. So, just ask peoÂple. I can’t recÂomÂmend that highÂly enough. If you’ve got parÂticÂiÂpants doing your experÂiÂments, you can just have a form at the end that says, “Was there anyÂthing unusuÂal? Was there anyÂthing you think could be explained betÂter? Did this make sense? Did you enjoy it?” Ask peoÂple for their feedÂback. It’s just so simÂple and it will give you so much inforÂmaÂtion before you put your experÂiÂments online. HavÂing a debrief quesÂtionÂnaire is incredÂiÂbly helpÂful, espeÂcialÂly when you’re piloting.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Before I get into pilotÂing, I just want to briefly menÂtion ethics. ProbÂaÂbly before, in fact, you’d get into all the effort of buildÂing your experÂiÂments, when you’re thinkÂing about your online study, you need to think about the ethics and thinkÂing specifÂiÂcalÂly about the platÂform. Does your platÂform conÂform to inforÂmaÂtion secuÂriÂty rules in your departÂment? Does it conÂform to things like GDPR? Now, these are horÂriÂble, borÂing things that nobody realÂly wants to have to deal with. So, if you can, find a platÂform that has that inforÂmaÂtion and says, “Don’t worÂry, we’ve got this.” Your ethics comÂmitÂtee will probÂaÂbly ask you about it. So, look into it definitely.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Now, I want to talk about pilotÂing. EmiÂly Breese gave the most wonÂderÂful talk at last year’s BeOnline all about pilotÂing and how cruÂcial it is to do pilotÂing in your experÂiÂments. Now, there are a couÂple reaÂsons for this. I think one of those reaÂsons is that typÂiÂcalÂly, the parÂticÂiÂpants we get in psyÂcholÂoÂgy departÂments at uniÂverÂsiÂties, they’re psyÂcholÂoÂgy stuÂdents at the uniÂverÂsiÂty or they’re peoÂple who are expeÂriÂenced parÂticÂiÂpants. So, these expeÂriÂenced parÂticÂiÂpants, essenÂtialÂly, they’re going to be able to fill in the gaps if you don’t have good enough instrucÂtions. But when you move online, this probÂaÂbly isn’t the case. So, you’re not around to answer their quesÂtions. So, please make sure to pilot with peoÂple and figÂure these things out.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Yeah, EmiÂly gives these wonÂderÂful examÂples from the trail makÂing test, funÂdaÂmenÂtal of neuÂropsyÂcholÂoÂgy, where you have to either draw the line between one, two, three, four, five or the alterÂnatÂing one, A, two, B, three, C. She talks about all the kinds of issues she had and some of the crazy answers peoÂple came up with that helped her refine her instrucÂtions. EmiÂly goes through this much betÂter than I do and she actuÂalÂly has a wonÂderÂful frameÂwork in her video. So, I strongÂly recÂomÂmend havÂing a look at that, but don’t think about pilotÂing just for your instructions.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
PilotÂing is also good to look at your data outÂput. Is your data outÂput corÂrect? Do you have all the inforÂmaÂtion you need to anaÂlyze your data? Because the speed of online testÂing is absoluteÂly wonÂderÂful, but the flip side of that is that if you colÂlect all your data so quickÂly, then unforÂtuÂnateÂly, if someÂthing’s wrong, you’ve just had to pay 100 or 500 peoÂple for their time when you’ve got an error. That’s not your parÂticÂiÂpanÂt’s fault. That’s on you. So, make sure before you do your big reveal, your big release, that you check your data outÂput is corÂrect and has everyÂthing you need.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Like I’ve menÂtioned just before that, you can use this pilotÂing for excluÂsion criÂteÂria. So, you can figÂure out, “Oh, anyÂone who seems to think this, they weren’t doing it right.” So, I can say that is an excluÂsion criÂteÂria. I can’t stress it enough. Pilot, pilot, pilot is probÂaÂbly the most imporÂtant thing you can do. You do need to pilot more with online testÂing than you would need to with lab-based testing.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I’ve already talked a litÂtle bit there about pre-regÂisÂtraÂtion. ObviÂousÂly, pilotÂing is a great way to pre-regÂisÂter any excluÂsion criÂteÂria that you might have in your experÂiÂments. I’ve seen someÂthing floatÂing around TwitÂter recentÂly. I’m not sure if it’s a preprint or a pubÂlished paper, but essenÂtialÂly, they comÂpared pre-regÂisÂtered reports with non-regÂisÂtered equivÂaÂlents. They tend to find that in terms of markÂers of creÂativÂiÂty, everyÂthing is stable.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, all those conÂcerns before about pre-regÂisÂtraÂtion is going to ruin disÂcovÂery sciÂence, they don’t seem to be valid, but they did find that the staÂtisÂtiÂcal qualÂiÂty and methodÂologÂiÂcal rigÂor of pre-regÂisÂtered work was greater than the non-regÂisÂtered conÂtrols. So, I think pre-regÂisÂtraÂtion is going to be realÂly imporÂtant. Again, just to give anothÂer plug for that ReproÂducibilÂiÂty 2.0 sesÂsion, we’re going to get into all of these kinds of quesÂtions and details by the end of BeOnline.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
And then that’s it. It’s time to colÂlect your data, time to anaÂlyze your data. There are some wonÂderÂful advances comÂing up as well, things like our markÂdown, which means you’re going to be able to creÂate these beauÂtiÂful, curatÂed scripts that are able to keep track of all your analyÂsis and do all of your basiÂcalÂly work with the raw data to proÂduce a beauÂtiÂful, clear tranÂscript to the end of your results. There’s a lot of stuff comÂing through. A litÂtle sneak hint, there might be someÂthing comÂing up in the future, long in the future with GorilÂla and data, but that’s someÂthing probÂaÂbly for our next BeOnline Conference.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
What are the things you want to conÂsidÂer in your experÂiÂmenÂtal platÂform? Well, does my experÂiÂmenÂtal platÂform do what I need it to do? That’s probÂaÂbly the most cruÂcial quesÂtion. So, it’s worth layÂing out. What do you need it to do? What do you need your experÂiÂmenÂtal platÂform to do? Most peoÂple are thinkÂing probÂaÂbly Task Builder. I need some way of preÂsentÂing images, responsÂes, et cetera, but you probÂaÂbly want to surÂvey as well. If you’re not doing surÂvey-based research, the abilÂiÂty to creÂate a demoÂgraphÂics form is incredÂiÂbly useful.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I found in the past that there’s someÂtimes a misÂmatch between recruitÂment panÂels and criÂteÂria I set out and peoÂple I actuÂalÂly end up with, because I think it’s not realÂly anyÂone’s priÂorÂiÂty at the moment to update their recruitÂment panÂel setÂtings and update their curÂrent life sitÂuÂaÂtion. So, it’s worth havÂing your own litÂtle surÂvey to work with that.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Now, then you have the Task Builder. Can the Task Builder do what I want? Does it have the feaÂtures that I need? Are there speÂcialÂist tools that I need, eye trackÂing or mouse trackÂing? Is there a speÂcial kind of parÂaÂdigm that I’m lookÂing at? What did othÂer peoÂple use? I think these are all the imporÂtant quesÂtions you need to ask yourÂself. I think as well, do I need to do this in full code ediÂtor or maybe you want to say, “Can I do this in the code ediÂtor?” Do I have the freeÂdom to write someÂthing from scratch or is this someÂthing that I can get nice and easÂiÂly built using a simÂple graphÂiÂcal user interÂface? These are the kinds of quesÂtions you want to be askÂing about your experÂiÂment before you get startÂed, before you choose an experÂiÂmenÂtal platform.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
The things we’re going to talk about today are a couÂple of new tools. There’s the Game Builder. We’re going to talk about that today, which is absoluteÂly incredÂiÂble. It’s realÂly, I think, going to change a lot of the way we do research. We have a wonÂderÂful Game Builder panÂel, who are going to talk about the research they’ve been doing with games. And then we’re going to get a wonÂderÂful demonÂstraÂtion from Nick, our CTO. TomorÂrow, we’ve got again, a great conÂsumer deciÂsion makÂing panÂel talkÂing about Shop Builder and we’re going to get a Shop Builder demo. This is such a cool techÂnique. It’s such a cool tool for being able to do shopÂping-based research.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
AnothÂer quesÂtion, I think, you want to ask yourÂself is, “How well will I be supÂportÂed in what I’m doing? Are there good forums out there? Are there YouTube videos? What kinds of supÂport docÂuÂmenÂtaÂtion is there out there? What’s the comÂmuÂniÂty like out there?” These are things you’ll want to be askÂing yourÂself. One of the things I love about GorilÂla and I work for GorilÂla, this is what I’m familÂiar with. There are othÂer tools out there that have equalÂly great forms. I’d just say that out. But what I love about GorilÂla from when I was a lecÂturÂer, before I even joined them was the colÂlabÂoÂrate tool, because it was anothÂer way of buyÂing back my time.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I was able to basiÂcalÂly monÂiÂtor my third year project stuÂdents and supÂport them remoteÂly, which meant at that time, I was able to go to a conÂferÂence in Paris, rather than spendÂing a couÂple weeks in Egham. Egham’s loveÂly, don’t get me wrong, but it’s no Paris. And then I could go to this amazÂing conÂferÂence in Paris and I could look at my lapÂtop. I could check my emails and I could see if the stuÂdent had an issue or probÂlem. I was able to supÂport them remoteÂly. I found that colÂlabÂoÂrate funcÂtion incredÂiÂbly useÂful. It bought me back time. Same with the send funcÂtion. The send funcÂtion is so useÂful, because in a lot of these difÂferÂent experÂiÂment platÂforms, you don’t have to worÂry anyÂmore about makÂing all the sysÂtem diagÂnosÂtics match up. So, it’s like, “Here’s my task.”
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Now, I am assumÂing that you’re runÂning a comÂputÂer that is WinÂdows 7, verÂsion 2.93 bit. It’s 64 bits. It needs to be runÂning MATLAB 2014b. I think like a lot of peoÂple out there, I’ve got experÂiÂments that will only run in a very speÂcifÂic sitÂuÂaÂtion that it’s a TuesÂday and the sun’s just right. You don’t have to worÂry about that stuff with lots of online platÂforms, because all the comÂputÂing infraÂstrucÂture is behind the scenes. You don’t have to worÂry. So, if you click “Send”, they’re going to get a workÂing verÂsion of your experÂiÂment. You don’t have to spend time helpÂing them to debug your experÂiÂments and get it up and runÂning on their system.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
FinalÂly, I love our Open MateÂriÂals. It’s a great platÂform. It’s a great place for researchers to disÂsemÂiÂnate their projects and a great place to share stimÂuli, which is so helpÂful rather than havÂing spent hours creÂatÂing stimÂuÂlus sets. This one is from Sarah BlakeÂmore’s group. This was a variÂaÂtion of the Raven’s matriÂces task. Now, that stimÂuÂlus set is online and anyÂone can take it. You don’t even need to ask perÂmisÂsion. They’re held in a reposÂiÂtoÂry. You can just search for it and use it as you see fit. There are a numÂber of parÂaÂdigms on GorilÂla Open MateÂriÂals. Also, othÂer tools as well. There are lots of things out there, in JSI, in Python, for examÂple. There are loads of tools out there, loads of experÂiÂments already out there ready for you to downÂload and use, which is just so helpful.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Has your testÂing been valÂiÂdatÂed by othÂers? What did they use to valÂiÂdate it? Which platÂform did they use basiÂcalÂly? You can also ask just about the platÂform itself. Is there a paper that valÂiÂdates the platÂform or is that someÂthing that doesÂn’t exist yet? Just finalÂly, again, how easy is it to use this platÂform? These are some of the key things that you’ll be wantÂiÂng to ask yourÂself before getÂting startÂed with your online experiments.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, I’m going to talk now about some pracÂtiÂcal conÂcrete examÂples of difÂferÂent parÂaÂdigms that I’ve seen online and ways that they’ve been able to, I think, bridge the gap, espeÂcialÂly between lab-based and online research. Now, this is a realÂly clever study. What they were able to do here, they were able to creÂate an Airbnb type sitÂuÂaÂtion. I believe this was built in Task Builder. There wasÂn’t any code necÂesÂsary. It was quite straightÂforÂward. It’s images and difÂferÂent buttons.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
What hapÂpens is when you want to see a piece of inforÂmaÂtion, you will click on the gold coin. That means you’re going to buy that conÂtent essenÂtialÂly. It will unveil and reveal that conÂtent to you. They’re able to do some realÂly great research to look at, first of all, “What kinds of inforÂmaÂtion are peoÂple willÂing to pay for?” They’re able to say, as well, “How much do they spend?” They’re able to say as well, “How does that influÂence your inforÂmaÂtion? How does that influÂence your deciÂsion makÂing processÂes?” It’s a realÂly great study. It’s worth havÂing a look at this right now. I think it’s a wonÂderÂful experÂiÂment, very easÂiÂly for it online.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, I’m just going to go through an examÂple now of how we can think about movÂing past traÂdiÂtionÂal online studÂies. So, for examÂple, this was an experÂiÂment I built for GorilÂla AcadÂeÂmy. It’s part of the learnÂing secÂtion. Put that one on pause. It’s your clasÂsic psyÂcholÂoÂgy experÂiÂments. You’ve got two icons, a green and a blue one. You click on the right one, you’ll see win. You click on the wrong one, then it tells you you lose. There’s litÂtle points update. It’s not very catchy, I have to say that. It’s exactÂly the stuff that I built throughÂout my PhD and throughÂout my postÂdocs. It’s the old clasÂsic psyÂcholÂoÂgy experÂiÂment. But I think we’re getÂting to a place now where we can do someÂthing betÂter, more sophisÂtiÂcatÂed. That’s realÂly what we’re going to talk about a lot today with Game Builder.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
If I just take this one back to the beginÂning now, this is the exact same experÂiÂment, but what we have here are we have cards. When you choose the corÂrect card, you see the star, you get the spins and the parÂtiÂcle effects, these sparkles. So, we have all of these things, which are realÂly great. I can imagÂine doing 100 triÂals of this far more hapÂpiÂly than I would 100 triÂals of the preÂviÂous experÂiÂment. I think that’s very imporÂtant. If you want to make sure you get high data qualÂiÂty and you want to keep peoÂple engaged in your experÂiÂments, then it’s imporÂtant that we start thinkÂing about these kinds of issues. How can I make my experÂiÂments more engagÂing? How can I make them more interÂestÂing and more fun to do?
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I’m remindÂed recentÂly of lookÂing at Sea Hero Quest that you may have heard about, a brilÂliant game. It was from ProÂfesÂsor Hugo Spears over at UCL. What they did is they took a traÂdiÂtionÂal parÂaÂdigm called the MorÂris water maze and they turned it into a realÂly fun game that peoÂple explore worlds on jet skis. What they’ve been able to do with that game is incredÂiÂble. They’ve had someÂthing like four milÂlion unique downÂloads. I think they’ve colÂlectÂed data that adds up to, I think, 117 years of data.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, I think that is incredÂiÂbly impresÂsive and that’s what you get with this gamÂiÂfied research. You don’t need to worÂry about payÂing as much for these parÂticÂiÂpants. You creÂate a game that is so natÂuÂralÂly engagÂing, peoÂple want to do your experÂiÂment, rather than you havÂing to force peoÂple to do the experÂiÂment. It’s someÂthing worth thinkÂing about and we’ll talk a litÂtle bit about that today.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Now, this is from a sepÂaÂrate experÂiÂment. It’s not the one that I’ve just spoÂken about, but it was a difÂferÂent valÂue-based deciÂsion makÂing study with simÂiÂlar paraÂmeÂters. What we can see here is that there is quite a good degree of overÂlap between what they get from the lab and what they get with online research. I think that, again, it’s nice to have these sanÂiÂty checks. I stand by what I said beforeÂhand. I don’t think we should necÂesÂsarÂiÂly conÂsidÂer the lab to be the ground truth, but I think these kinds of sanÂiÂty checks are very helpÂful and I think can realÂly add conÂfiÂdence in what you’re doing.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I’m going to talk a litÂtle bit now about eye trackÂing. A lot of peoÂple when they’ve gone online wants to do eye trackÂing research. It’s difÂfiÂcult. I’m not going to lie, I think it’s an incredÂiÂbly difÂfiÂcult thing to achieve. There are a lot of reaÂsons for that. We ran someÂthing called GorilÂla Presents where we talk to a panÂel of experts about these probÂlems. If you want to do eye trackÂing research or mouse trackÂing research, I highÂly recÂomÂmend going on to our web page and lookÂing at this GorilÂla Presents webiÂnar. There’s so many tips. It’s a goldÂmine of inforÂmaÂtion, I can’t stress it enough.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
ActuÂalÂly, the data that we can see up in here, this is data from JenÂs’s paper. He didÂn’t use GorilÂla. He used the WebGazÂer tool that GorilÂla also uses. What he did is he did an eye trackÂing study in the lab, which you can see here in blue. This is the horÂiÂzonÂtal gaze. So, when someÂone looks left, there’s a moveÂment to one direcÂtion. When someÂone looks right, there’s a moveÂment in anothÂer direcÂtion. What we can see is that actuÂalÂly, there’s a very high degree of simÂiÂlarÂiÂty between lab-based testÂing and at-home testÂing for eye trackÂing. There’s obviÂousÂly far more noise in the at-home, but the actuÂal genÂerÂal mean traÂjecÂtoÂries are incredÂiÂbly similar.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
In fact, there were corÂreÂlaÂtions of 0.91 and 0.83, so very high corÂreÂlaÂtions between lab-based testÂing and home testÂing. So, it is posÂsiÂble to do eye trackÂing at home using web camÂeras. I should you say though, it is incredÂiÂbly difÂfiÂcult. Watch the GorilÂla Presents webiÂnar, because it’s going to have so many tips there. It realÂly was a goldÂmine. I think it had everyÂthing from shavÂing was a big thing. So, try to get beardÂless peoÂple. I rememÂber that was one of the big take home mesÂsages from the talk.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
If you can, it’s not always posÂsiÂble, but if you can, I would probÂaÂbly recÂomÂmend mouse trackÂing over eye trackÂing. I think there are a lot of benÂeÂfits to doing mouse trackÂing studÂies. ObviÂousÂly, it’s far more accuÂrate than eye trackÂing on online comÂputÂer-based testÂing. These are two examÂples that have used mouse trackÂing in difÂferÂent but very interÂestÂing ways. We can see here that for examÂple, in this top study, what they’ve done is they’ve used mouse clicks as a way of gaugÂing attenÂtion. The yelÂlow, red heat maps are from where the peoÂple clicked. The white heat maps are comÂpuÂtaÂtionÂal modÂels of salience. You can see that essenÂtialÂly, these two modÂels are overÂlapÂping fanÂtasÂtiÂcalÂly well.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, what we can do is we can replace. Rather than worÂryÂing about eye trackÂing and you do lose a lot of data with eye trackÂing data, with mouse trackÂing, basiÂcalÂly, your attriÂtion is far, far less. You’re getÂting what looks like very simÂiÂlar results, which is incredÂiÂbly inforÂmaÂtive. I think incredÂiÂbly, it’s helpÂful to know.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Now, this is from Jonathan Tsay’s work. What he did is he took the clasÂsic motor adapÂtaÂtion parÂaÂdigm, one of these ones where you have a robotÂic arm. That robotÂic arm, you manipÂuÂlate it so that even though I’m movÂing my arm directÂly forÂward in front of me, the image looks like it’s movÂing out to the side. This is the kind of work that’s been done in most conÂtrol labs across the world for decades, realÂly great experÂiÂments, but what they can now do is they can take it online.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
You can see, when we look at the traÂjecÂtoÂries for in-perÂson testÂing comÂpared to online testÂing, we’re getÂting the same shape or funcÂtion, both in perÂson and online, which is again, very reasÂsurÂing. As I menÂtioned earÂliÂer, this means that we can now do motor adapÂtaÂtion work with a whole new group of parÂticÂiÂpants, peoÂple who, because of perÂhaps of their motor conÂdiÂtions, weren’t able to get into the lab beforeÂhand. We can now work with those indiÂvidÂuÂals as well, which is incredÂiÂbly rewarding.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Okay. So, I’m just going to wrap up now and hopeÂfulÂly, have a litÂtle bit of time if we have to some quesÂtions. We’ve talked about this idea of, “Why should we go online? What are the benÂeÂfits of online research?” I’d just remind you, speed, scale, rich. If anyÂone want to ask, those are the three things, three pilÂlars why you should go online. We talked about the chalÂlenges. I think a lot of these aren’t necÂesÂsarÂiÂly chalÂlenges or they’re cerÂtainÂly not chalÂlenges that are excluÂsive to online research. These are the same chalÂlenges everyÂone has in lab-based research. There are pracÂtiÂcal conÂsidÂerÂaÂtions before you get startÂed. You’ll need to pilot, pilot immenseÂly. I can’t stress that enough.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
You need to think about your experÂiÂmenÂtal platÂform. Can it do what I need it to do? Does it have all the ethics requireÂments that I need to do what I want to do? There are a lot of pracÂtiÂcal conÂsidÂerÂaÂtions to think about before you take your experÂiÂments online. And then finalÂly, I’ve just givÂen you a handÂful of examÂples there about what you can do with online research and the way that online research in some casÂes, replicÂaÂble of what we’re doing in the lab. In othÂer casÂes, it’s realÂly just expandÂing and changÂing what we can do with research. So, thank you ever so much for joinÂing me today. I’m hapÂpy to take any quesÂtions you might have or if there’s anyÂthing you’re interÂestÂed in askÂing right now.
Sophie Scott:
Josh, there are a couÂple of quesÂtions comÂing through on the Q&A. Can I ask you those?
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Yeah, absoluteÂly. Please, go ahead.
Sophie Scott:
So, someÂbody asked a very speÂcifÂic quesÂtion. I think it’s an interÂestÂing one about the use of progress bars. Do you think there’s any posÂsiÂbilÂiÂty that that might actuÂalÂly have an influÂence on they start getÂting bored or they go, “No, [inaudiÂble 00:36:17] ages to go. I’m nearÂly at the end. I’m going to rush through it.” Do you know what I mean? What’s your feelÂing about the utilÂiÂty of those?
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Yeah, that’s a very good point. I think it could get peoÂple dropÂping out soonÂer, but I think in some ways that might be benÂeÂfiÂcial. I think it cerÂtainÂly is nicer from the parÂticÂiÂpanÂt’s point of view. The parÂticÂiÂpant says, “Oh, my God, I’ve been at this for ages and I’ve hardÂly scratched surÂface. NevÂer mind.” Well, if they have othÂer comÂmitÂments in their life, they know the postÂman’s due to come around that time, they think, “Oh, I can’t comÂmit to this right now. I know, I’m going to have to engage in someÂthing. I should drop out now. If it’s still availÂable latÂer on, I can come back to it.” In my opinÂion, it’s benÂeÂfiÂcial. Yeah, the posÂiÂtives outÂweigh the negÂaÂtives in my opinion.
Sophie Scott:
There’s also just a quesÂtion that’s appeared in the chat. I would ask if you can put these in the Q&A, please do so. Are there any ethÂiÂcal issues around using eye trackÂing and mouse trackÂing online? Is there anyÂthing parÂticÂuÂlar that we need to think about?
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I don’t believe so, nothÂing that you wouldÂn’t have with traÂdiÂtionÂal experÂiÂments. I think with a lot of the eye trackÂing softÂware, you don’t have to worÂry, because it doesÂn’t capÂture any facial inforÂmaÂtion. With eye trackÂing in parÂticÂuÂlar, what it tends to do is it creÂates a face modÂel, which is a grid of where your face is, but it doesÂn’t capÂture anyÂthing more than that. So, there’s no idenÂtiÂfiÂable inforÂmaÂtion that you need to worÂry about being sent to difÂferÂent peoÂple. In the tools themÂselves, I can’t think of any ethÂiÂcal issues. How you use them, obviÂousÂly, that changes the situation.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
LatÂer on, today, we’re doing some sesÂsions on MouÂseÂView, actuÂalÂly, which is a wonÂderÂful alterÂnaÂtive to eye trackÂing. Well, I think one of the talks is about using this in suiÂciÂdal research. So, obviÂousÂly, when you use it in such a conÂtext, then there are ethÂiÂcal issues. But the tool in itself, I think, is fine. I don’t think there are any ethÂiÂcal issues to worÂry about.
Sophie Scott:
There’s a very genÂerÂal quesÂtion here from Nina, which is, “When we decide to do an online research study, how can we be sure that the study will be reliÂable and valid?”
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
Yeah, I think that’s a very big quesÂtion. To be sure, I think, cerÂtainÂty is quite difÂfiÂcult to come by. I think you obviÂousÂly do the best that you can. Like I said, I think the best tips are things we’ve menÂtioned as well. PilotÂing is incredÂiÂbly imporÂtant and that’s going to tell you a lot of what you need to know. What I would also say is buildÂing on the back of othÂer studÂies, I stand by it. I hope I don’t sound hypÂoÂcritÂiÂcal, because I know I’ve said and I do stand by what I said as well, that lab-based shouldÂn’t be treatÂed as necÂesÂsarÂiÂly being the ground truth, but obviÂousÂly, repliÂcaÂtion is fantastic.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, takÂing tried and testÂed experÂiÂments that have been done time after time, workÂing with those kinds of parÂaÂdigms and buildÂing up on those parÂaÂdigms is a realÂly great thing. So, I think that’s realÂly one of the best things you can do. Look for those reliÂable parÂaÂdigms that proved themÂselves, parÂaÂdigms that have what I would call sanÂiÂty checks in them, things that you know should happen.
Sophie Scott:
I would comÂpleteÂly agree with you on that and this would apply to lab-based sciÂence as well. This is just doing sciÂence. It is a good idea to have things built in, that you know things are workÂing. I should expect to see this result based on what we already know. I think just very briefly, going to your point about the ground truth, I think you’re absoluteÂly right. There’s no ground baseÂline, ground truth for lab-based stuff. ActuÂalÂly, that’s true across psyÂcholÂoÂgy. I think one of the things that’s quite useÂful to think about is you’re nevÂer going to get to an answer if you just try one method.
Sophie Scott:
So, keep your focus broadÂened. Think about your research quesÂtion. “What are difÂferÂent ways you could address that quesÂtion?” is also anothÂer imporÂtant thing, because we don’t have these ground truths. So, havÂing a broadÂer perÂspecÂtive on it, I think, can realÂly help. Enough for me, though. There’s a qualÂiÂtaÂtive quesÂtion from WalÂter. Do you have any conÂsidÂerÂaÂtions regardÂing selecÂtion bias in online studies?
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I think there’s been some interÂestÂing stuff out there about difÂferÂent platÂforms. So, I’m thinkÂing there has been some research out there about ProÂlifÂic verÂsus MTurk and the indiÂvidÂuÂals inside those platÂforms and how repÂreÂsenÂtaÂtive they are. I know ProÂlifÂic has this realÂly great feaÂture now where I think you can actuÂalÂly have what they refer to as a repÂreÂsenÂtaÂtive popÂuÂlaÂtion, which is quite a nice feaÂture to try and make sure that you comÂbat selecÂtion bias and you get the whole specÂtrum of indiÂvidÂuÂals withÂin your experÂiÂment, which I think is a wonÂderÂful idea. I don’t think there are as many conÂsidÂerÂaÂtions to be honÂest. I would hope that with these tools, at least we’re movÂing forÂward comÂpared to lab-based research.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I think I can speak now to the lab-based work I’ve done in the past and I know that they’re quite homoÂgeÂneous popÂuÂlaÂtion someÂtimes. So, you can see from quesÂtionÂnaire data lookÂing at indiÂvidÂual difÂferÂences that there aren’t that many indiÂvidÂual difÂferÂences. You can see there’s a very strong bell curve with quite a narÂrow preÂciÂsion to it. So, I don’t think there are as many conÂsidÂerÂaÂtions. My feelÂing that is a litÂtle bit of intuÂition and gut feelÂing is that we’re just getÂting away from selecÂtion bias with online studÂies, not comÂpleteÂly, but it’s a step in the right direction.
Sophie Scott:
So, someÂthing that my PhD stuÂdent, AlexÂis McInÂtyre, has been lookÂing at is variÂaÂtion in rhythm proÂcessÂing. She has been using a rhythm proÂcessÂing task that she develÂoped for sevÂerÂal years. You expect to get a wide range of perÂforÂmance on it. When she moved her studÂies online last year, she found that scores on that went realÂly high and much more narÂrow. This is through ProÂlifÂic. When she filÂtered out for peoÂple who didÂn’t play comÂputÂer games, she found actuÂalÂly, you saw someÂthing a lot more norÂmal, but actuÂalÂly, they also dropped down by an order of 100 fold with the peoÂple who endÂed up in this study.
Sophie Scott:
So, I think someÂtimes actuÂalÂly, if you have peoÂple who play a lot of comÂputÂer games and cerÂtainÂly, on her ProÂlifÂic study, there were a lot of these peoÂple. They were doing realÂly well. I think that it doesÂn’t take away from the results of the study, but it was interÂestÂing in terms of lookÂing at indiÂvidÂual variÂaÂtion, where you would expect to see someÂthing broadÂer. There were some interÂestÂing reaÂsons as to why that was and it’s just worth bearÂing that in mind. There isn’t going to be one truth for everyÂthing out there and it is defÂiÂniteÂly worth bearÂing in mind.
Sophie Scott:
HowÂevÂer, again, enough for me, maybe we’ve got time for one more quesÂtion. So, sevÂerÂal points of this comÂing through. What hapÂpens if it’s very difÂfiÂcult to make your study more interÂestÂing? Would that affect repliÂcaÂtion? But also, if you can’t make it more interÂestÂing, so with a more engagÂing study, with a more easÂiÂly repliÂcatÂed, but also, what should you do if you just can’t make it more fun?
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
I think unforÂtuÂnateÂly, I think that’s very difÂfiÂcult. I think you can make things more fun. I know, we’ve got one of our speakÂers latÂer on in the game sesÂsion. He took the go/no-go task, which is a borÂing study. It’s not an interÂestÂing task, espeÂcialÂly after a few repÂeÂtiÂtions. But he took that and he put a whole skin over it and turned it into this amazÂing game, where you had avatars. Instead of just being press red cirÂcle, press green cirÂcle, release, it became a dragÂon and you had to harÂvest gold to avoid the dragon.
Dr. Joshua BalÂsters:
So, I think there are a lot of realÂly great creÂative soluÂtions out there. I think you can do a lot just by changÂing essenÂtialÂly the skin of it. So, even if it’s not creÂatÂing a whole narÂraÂtive, just makÂing someÂthing that’s visuÂalÂly more appealÂing can actuÂalÂly be realÂly useÂful, I think. So, I think there are a lot of opporÂtuÂniÂties to do that. I think if you realÂly, realÂly can’t do that, it’s very difÂfiÂcult, I think you might end up just havÂing to pay peoÂple. I think it’s the only othÂer option, exterÂnal motivators.
Sophie Scott:
Thank you. Thank you.


