Gareth HarÂvey — DECIDE
Gareth shares some of the research he does into prodÂuct pricÂing in superÂmarÂkets and restauÂrants, and explains why bigÂger disÂcounts aren’t always the best way to get more purchases.
Full TranÂscript:
Jo EverÂshed 0:00
But first of all, we’re going to talk to Gareth about how superÂmarÂkets are acciÂdenÂtalÂly givÂing away milÂlions to our benÂeÂfit, of course. Over to you Gareth!
Gareth HarÂvey 0:12
HelÂlo. So, as I said, I’m Gareth HarÂvey. And I used to be a proÂfesÂsor of conÂsumer psyÂcholÂoÂgy at ASHRAE in GeneÂva. But now I am a direcÂtor of behavÂiourÂal sci- try that, again, I’m the direcÂtor of behavÂiourÂal sciÂence at Decide which is a marÂketÂing and creÂative agency. And unlike most of you guys, my world is not likeÂly doing through we say the acaÂdÂeÂmÂic research, but it’s takÂing all the great findÂings that we have out there in the world. So things that you guys are workÂing on now. And to put it realÂly crudeÂly findÂing a way to make monÂey from it. So there’s so much great research out there, but it just stays in the acaÂdÂeÂmÂic silos. So my remit is to try and read about that, and work out how it can be used for brands.
So my parÂticÂuÂlar interÂest is in superÂmarÂket design. So I do a lot of work designÂing superÂmarÂket layÂout. So if you can’t find the baked beans or the bread, it’s probÂaÂbly my fault, or someÂone like me. Or on the othÂer hand, I do a lot of work, which is eye trackÂing and lookÂing at prodÂuct design. So makÂing sure that prodÂucts stand out on the shelf.
Now today, I was going to talk a litÂtle bit about actuÂalÂly how superÂmarÂkets end up givÂing away a silÂly amount of monÂey. Now, if you go around any superÂmarÂket, you’ll see all sorts of speÂcial offers. Lots of them that look someÂthing like this, some will be two for five pounds, someÂtimes you’ll be see things buy one, get one free, someÂtimes 50% extra free. And if you look at these, some of them will be, shall we say? Not so great offers. So for examÂple, some of them is it said at one and the botÂtom, one pound each, or two for two pounds. PeoÂple often think that this is a case of superÂmarÂkets being, shall we say delibÂerÂateÂly tryÂing to manipÂuÂlate you. And the simÂple truth is most of the time, it’s not that. It’s a simÂple case of human incompetence.
Human incomÂpeÂtence explains a lot. But when we look at it, actuÂalÂly though, there’s such a variÂety of difÂferÂent offers, and in effect, they’re givÂing away more monÂey than they actuÂalÂly need to. If we think about it, it’s a simÂple case. So what’s more effecÂtive, buy one, get one free, 50%, extra free, half price, what grabs attenÂtion. And actuÂalÂly, a lot of the time when we actuÂalÂly analyse data in the store, we realise it’s, the offer itself is kind of irrelÂeÂvant to a cerÂtain extent. ConÂsumers are so busy, are so busy tryÂing to look and work out what stands out what’s on speÂcial offer.
And just to show how big an effect this is, I’ll talk about an examÂple I did instal a numÂber of years ago, we’re workÂing in the alcoÂhol secÂtion, lookÂing at beers, we colÂlectÂed our baseÂline data. So we recordÂed someÂthing in the region of about nearÂly 10,000 shopÂpers, going down the alcoÂhol secÂtion. And then we made an interÂvenÂtion, we made some changes. And we wantÂed to see, could we increase the sales of a parÂticÂuÂlar type of beer. And sudÂdenÂly, after our interÂvenÂtion, a beer we did nothÂing to we did no work to, it’s sales increased by someÂthing like 50%. And we thought, what the heck has hapÂpened here. And actuÂalÂly it was a simÂple case of peoÂple noticed the one prodÂuct that was by a sign on the shop shelf. That sign it simÂply said shoplifters will be prosÂeÂcutÂed. NothÂing to do with actuÂal anyÂthing to sales. But it grabbed peoÂple’s attenÂtion. PeoÂple looked at it, and they endÂed up seeÂing it. And then they looked at the beer that was next to it. They saw the beer that was next to it, or just above that sign. Oh, I might as well get that one. So they endÂed up buyÂing it. And actuÂalÂly this kind of goes to show such a key point when we work in the superÂmarÂket. VisuÂal salienÂcy is key. VisuÂal salienÂcy is probÂaÂbly one of the biggest facÂtors that preÂdicts whether someÂone’s going to buy someÂthing or not. So we need to design prodÂucts that stand out and shelf. And it’s the same for speÂcial offers. So although superÂmarÂkets are great, all of these difÂferÂent offers, actuÂalÂly makÂing sure the prodÂuct stands out onshelf, and that speÂcial offer stands out on shelf, is probÂaÂbly the most key factor.
Now, as I said, we’ve got all these difÂferÂent offers. But we can still find ways to optiÂmise it. So basiÂcalÂly find ways that they can actuÂalÂly get you to buy a prodÂuct withÂout givÂing away more marÂgin than they need to. Because if you think about this, and we take it from a very, shall we say cogÂniÂtive approach, we’re comÂing back to just noticeÂable difÂferÂence. What the superÂmarÂket is tryÂing to do is tryÂing to actuÂalÂly work out what’s the biggest difÂferÂence or biggest change they can make to the price that you’ll notice. They just want to go over just over that threshÂold and then stop.
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Now we do all sorts of conÂjoint analyÂsis for brands tryÂing to work out how much we can do that, how big a change do we need to make. But actuÂalÂly what we found out a lot of the time, we can actuÂalÂly make difÂferÂent changes to the way that we’re preÂsentÂing these things, we can change the way these offers are preÂsentÂed. And actuÂalÂly, we can get someÂtimes the same effect withÂout actuÂalÂly havÂing to give any marÂgin away. So just the obviÂous one, we start off with charm pricÂing, the idea of reducÂing the digÂit by one, everyÂone knows that cogÂniÂtiveÂly, it’s the same thing. But makÂing that a slight change makes a difÂferÂence. If you look at some of the stats here, if a prodÂuct is placed, or priced at 99 pence, conÂverÂsion rate online is about 3%. For some of the brands we’ve worked with, if it’s a pound it’s about 1.88. So you’re getÂting virÂtuÂalÂly a 1% increase in sales. Now doesÂn’t sound very much, but it’s a huge effect when we start to look at these, the samÂples we colÂlect in the comÂmerÂcial world, we’re lookÂing at sort of hun‑, or 10s of 1000s. So you start to see these big difÂferÂences. So these litÂtle changes we’re going to talk about today have some proÂfound effects.
So here’s some litÂtle tips that we use, when we actuÂalÂly try and design someÂthing, someÂthing we saw in the acaÂdÂeÂmÂic litÂerÂaÂture, and we’ve testÂed it in stores or superÂmarÂkets, the brain gets conÂfused between size, numerÂiÂcal size and visuÂal size. So these two speÂcial offers exactÂly the same thing, by changÂing how we present them makes one actuÂalÂly sell a couÂple of perÂcent betÂter than the othÂer. So the one on the top is actuÂalÂly the one that sells betÂter. By putting the price in a smallÂer font than the refÂerÂence point, it actuÂalÂly the brain feels like it’s a smallÂer price. On the one on the botÂtom, actuÂalÂly, what you’ve got going on there is you’re makÂing the font, the price feel like it’s more expenÂsive, you’re makÂing it feel like it’s more expenÂsive, because it’s bigÂger than the refÂerÂence price, oh the refÂerÂence font, the new low price. So just changÂing how you present that makes a difÂferÂence about 2 or 3% in terms of how many peoÂple are going to buy a prodÂuct, all with just changÂing the graphÂic design, the sort of litÂtle things that we can do.
SomeÂtimes where you can use exactÂly the same techÂnique, and what actuÂalÂly what we’re tryÂing to do here, we’re tryÂing to make, not necÂesÂsarÂiÂly the price, but we’re tryÂing to make a numÂber field bigÂger. So on the first one on the left, is it sayÂing we’re makÂing the prices, the big thing that grabs your attenÂtion $19 a month, $49 a month, or 99, it’s bigÂger than all the refÂerÂence fonts. So we’ve changed it in terms of we’ve just reframed in terms of the bronze packÂage, the silÂver packÂage and the gold one. So that’s the big thing that catchÂes your attenÂtion, the prices slightÂly smaller.
We’ve changed it here, this is tryÂing to make the, there we go, if you try to make it the size of how much data you get with an online interÂnet packÂage, we want the numÂbers to feel as big as posÂsiÂble. So this times we’ve made it bigÂger than the refÂerÂence of the thing. And it doesÂn’t necÂesÂsarÂiÂly need to be a font, you can do exactÂly the same thing in terms of a visuÂal or graphÂiÂcal eleÂment, although the effect is slightÂly smallÂer. So by makÂing the numÂber bigÂger than ref refÂerÂence point, it feels like it’s either bigÂger or more expenÂsive, dependÂing on what you’re tryÂing to do.
LikeÂwise, when we’re designÂing price tickÂets, realÂly simÂple tricks you can end up doing to make the speÂcial offer or the disÂcount feel like it’s betÂter. So in the top one, if a prodÂuct was 100 pounds, and you now reducÂing it down to 50, you can make that field bigÂger by simÂply increasÂing the space between those two numÂbers on the tickÂet and actuÂalÂly changÂing it graphÂiÂcalÂly. So if we put the new price in a difÂferÂent colour font, or a difÂferÂent colour font, and a difÂferÂent actuÂal font, it actuÂalÂly changes that and peoÂple feel like the price is going to be an even greater one. SomeÂwhere in the region, again, about one, one and a half perÂcent when we’ve done this in brands. But again, that one and a half perÂcent change actuÂalÂly starts to add up conÂsidÂerÂably, espeÂcialÂly when we’re lookÂing at this at a superÂmarÂket level.
SomeÂtimes you can even tell peoÂple, and if you tell what that difÂferÂence is, say someÂthing like say 50%, it works realÂly well. The chalÂlenge for this is if you change it and it’s saved, save 23%, or should we say a non round figÂure. At that point, peoÂple start to feel like the difÂferÂence is smallÂer. So if you’re actuÂalÂly going to tell them on the tickÂet, what the difÂferÂence they’re savÂing is in terms of a perÂcentÂage. We only want to do that when we actuÂalÂly have a nice round figÂure. TypÂiÂcalÂly, there’s not done though, because it just makes up that messÂes up the look and feel of a speÂcial offer sign. And it makes it look more clutÂtered. And actuÂalÂly the bigÂger thing we’re using norÂmalÂly to driÂve sales is visuÂal attenÂtion. visuÂal attenÂtion is the key thing that we’re lookÂing for.
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OthÂer things that you can see here, we’ve got one offer on the top, but it’s simÂply changed and we change the order of where those that inforÂmaÂtion is preÂsentÂed. So in this one, all I’ve done is change it instead of it being in horÂiÂzonÂtal, we’ll put the change in prices verÂtiÂcalÂly. A realÂly, realÂly small thing, but it makes it so much such a big difÂferÂence of three to 4% in this case. Why? Well, it’s actuÂalÂly easÂiÂer for us to do the maths, it makes it more obviÂous what the difÂferÂence we’ve made it.
AnothÂer thing we’ve done here is we’ve actuÂalÂly made sure that the change is difÂferÂent for all the digÂits. So both the right hand colÂumn and the left hand colÂumn, each one is smallÂer. If they’re not both smallÂer, someÂtimes peoÂple get a litÂtle bit maybe not conÂfused, but they’re slowÂer to process. And eye trackÂing research in store typÂiÂcalÂly shows that peoÂple are going to be lookÂing for about half a secÂond maxÂiÂmum at a prodÂuct. So it’s all about tryÂing to maxÂimise the time peoÂple are spendÂing lookÂing at the prodÂuct, and makÂing it easÂiÂer and quickÂer for them to make it to make a decision.
The othÂer thing that their botÂtom tickÂet does, it gives them a reaÂson of what that why the prodÂucts on disÂcount rather than just sayÂing it’s on disÂcount. So this one just use the clasÂsic examÂple of a JanÂuÂary sale. And the reaÂson that’s imporÂtant is it stops or at least reduces the likeÂliÂhood that anchorÂing is going to occur. So anchorÂing is the idea that the digÂit you see is it anchors or sets your expecÂtaÂtion of how much you’re going to pay. And this is always the risk, when you put a prodÂuct on speÂcial offer that peoÂple start to think that, oh, it’s not realÂly valÂued at 79 pounds, it’s realÂly only cost 63. So by so by givÂing them a reaÂson, it just reduces the likeÂliÂhood that anchorÂing occurs, and that they still valÂue the prodÂuct at what its full price should be. So it’s just one of those litÂtle tricks we can play around with to try and try and stop that hapÂpenÂing. So it’s a realÂly simÂple thing that we start to do.
AnothÂer thing that you’ll often see someÂtimes done, is actuÂalÂly startÂing to startÂing to change the preÂsenÂtaÂtion of the price itself. This is someÂthing that typÂiÂcalÂly is more likeÂly to occur, I supÂpose on a restauÂrant menu. And again, I do a lot of work designÂing restauÂrant menus. But it’s a simÂple case of we drop the curÂrenÂcy symÂbol. Now on restauÂrant menus, when you drop the curÂrenÂcy symÂbol, you can start to see about a someÂwhere between 12 to 15% increase in the amount of monÂey peoÂple spend on on an item. And likeÂwise, we’ve also dropped the decÂiÂmal point. So rather than just say 89 pounds, point 00. This time, we’re actuÂalÂly sayÂing 89. And the reaÂson this works is it helps to make the price less salient. BasiÂcalÂly, we don’t want peoÂple to be conÂcenÂtratÂing on the price, we want to be conÂcenÂtratÂing, espeÂcialÂly in a restauÂrant setÂting where it’s a realÂly hedoÂnisÂtic expeÂriÂence, we want them to be conÂcenÂtratÂing on what they’re going to be enjoyÂing. We want them to conÂcenÂtrate on the food they’re about to be eatÂing. So it’s all about tryÂing to focus on that, we realÂly want to downÂplay the idea of price.
In an ideÂal world, we’d love for peoÂple to pay for the food first and then eat it, it’s been shown that’s a much betÂter way of doing it. The probÂlem is, we’ve kind of been trained, you pay for food first in cheap restauÂrants, in posh restauÂrants, you do it afterÂwards. But probÂaÂbly the worst examÂple of actuÂalÂly where we get pricÂing salienÂcy wrong is if you think of a LonÂdon black cab, you get in a LonÂdon black cab. And as you driÂve, there’s not a lot to do. So you sit and watch that metre slowÂly tickÂing up, you watch it tickÂing up, it makes it realÂly realÂly salient. You finalÂly get to your desÂtiÂnaÂtion, you get out. But the last thing you have to do is you pay. So you’ve made the pain of payÂment, even greater. ConÂtrast that with Uber, but you take your phone, you pay virÂtuÂalÂly so it feels less. So we know payÂing by card is less painful than payÂing by cash. So you can pay on your phone, you pay upfront. So you’ve actuÂalÂly paid before the Uber arrives, and there’s no metre that’s tickÂing over so you can slowÂly watch it.
Now, the techÂniques we’ve got on the slide here, like removÂing the pound symÂbol, or the curÂrenÂcy symÂbol, yeah, I wouldÂn’t recÂomÂmend that for my clients in the superÂmarÂket for the simÂple reaÂson. Well, typÂiÂcalÂly, I just find it reduces clarÂiÂty. We want everyÂthing to be as easy as posÂsiÂble to process in the store, we’re realÂly tryÂing to increase the conÂcept of proÂcessÂing or perÂcepÂtuÂal fluÂenÂcy. We want to make the purÂchase deciÂsion as easy as posÂsiÂble for the conÂsumer, and posÂsiÂbly not havÂing a curÂrenÂcy symÂbol, it makes it a litÂtle ambiguÂous in store. But on restauÂrant menus, and espeÂcialÂly in the more classy ones. This is someÂthing that typÂiÂcalÂly gets done quite a bit.
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But we test all of these, these are not just things so that we’ve said and read in the litÂerÂaÂture and we think works. But all of these have come from peer reviewed experÂiÂments. And we’ve testÂed them. And actuÂalÂly, the reaÂson we test them is I’ve testÂed lots of ideas that have been shown to work in lab based studÂies, but I’ve nevÂer been able to recreÂate them. SomeÂtimes things don’t quite work out. Now it’s not a case of powÂer, because genÂerÂalÂly when we test someÂthing in a superÂmarÂket, we’re not talkÂing about a samÂple size of a couÂple of 100 we’re talkÂing 1000s to 10s of 1000s. So our datasets are far more powÂerÂful than anyÂthing I ever had in my PhD. But this is a clasÂsic examÂple it was taught at NudgeÂstock. And they were talkÂing about which webÂsite design is going to be more effecÂtive. Option A or Option B. Chose the snowÂboards because tryÂing to drop a hint to someÂone. But does it make more sense to put the picÂture of a snowÂboard on the left of the text or the right of the text?
Now there’s acaÂdÂeÂmÂic papers out there that say we evalÂuÂate things difÂferÂentÂly dependÂing where you’re preÂsentÂing them. So if the stimÂuÂlus we put it on the left hand side, then we’re going to process it slightÂly difÂferÂentÂly. HowÂevÂer, some would argue, or some neuÂroÂsciÂenÂtists would say, well, the right hemiÂsphere is slightÂly betÂter for proÂcessÂing the picÂtoÂrÂiÂal inforÂmaÂtion, it makes more sense of preÂsentÂed on the one side. Now I’ve testÂed this in 10 difÂferÂent conÂcepts on difÂferÂent online stores. And yeah, I’ve nevÂer been able to show it. We’ve testÂed it with prodÂuct packÂagÂing design. And again, we’ve nevÂer been able to show it. Now probÂaÂbly it doesÂn’t work in prodÂuct packÂagÂing, because sure, you might have the image on the right, and the text on the left, got the wrong way around. But actuÂalÂly, there are lots of othÂer stimÂuli that are comÂpetÂing with and grabÂbing your attenÂtion. So that posÂsiÂbly explains why the superÂmarÂket side, but preÂsentÂing it when I can conÂtrol what image appears on the screen for an online shop. As I said across 10 difÂferÂent online stores, the effect has nevÂer worked for me, maybe I’ve got my experÂiÂmenÂtal design wrong. But just because it’s in acaÂdÂeÂmÂic papers, it’s been talked about in NudgeÂstock, this year, a numÂber of years, we’ve still nevÂer been able to get it right.
So all of these ideas, all of these conÂcepts have talked about, they’ve come from the recent research and papers, probÂaÂbly lab based studÂies. But we always made sure they work first, norÂmalÂly startÂing off by pilotÂing it in small steps, small scale experÂiÂment, someÂtimes it just one superÂmarÂket, we test it in that one indiÂvidÂual store, before we roll it out, after we know it works. So hopeÂfulÂly that’s givÂen you a few ideas about how superÂmarÂkets are acciÂdenÂtalÂly givÂing away milÂlions, and how they can actuÂalÂly someÂtimes get the same effect by makÂing things visuÂalÂly salient, makÂing sure it catchÂes your attenÂtion and actuÂalÂly putting it on on the shelf. And by careÂful design. So there are othÂer ways of doing it. If you’ve got any quesÂtions, let me know my email address is on the screen there if I probÂaÂbly actuÂalÂly hide myself so you can actuÂalÂly see it. Yeah, I will make sure my dress this I’ll disÂapÂpear in a secÂond. But yeah, thank you, Jo. And any quesÂtions, I will hapÂpiÂly answer them.
Jo EverÂshed 17:35
Gareth, that was fasÂciÂnatÂing. Thank you so much. I feel a bit like with the last sesÂsion, which was all about gamÂiÂfiÂcaÂtion. NevÂer see a game the same way now that Nick has shown how all these effects are creÂatÂed, I think it’s going to be the same now with walkÂing around superÂmarÂkets. I’m going to see all of these price labels, and be just noticÂing all the tricks that they’re putting on my eyes and also noticÂing all the things they’re not putting on my eyes going ha you could have done betÂter there.
Gareth HarÂvey 18:02
Yes, someÂtimes they get it right. SomeÂtimes it’s a simÂple case of ah, we need to make a leaflet or someÂthing very quickÂly and it goes out the window.
Jo EverÂshed 18:10
Yes, I think oftenÂtimes when we’re workÂing, we all know that feelÂing of havÂing to just get someÂthing out of the door. Now, does anyÂbody in the audiÂence have any quesÂtions for Gareth, please put them in the q&a. That was fasÂciÂnatÂing. I’m tryÂing to think of a good quesÂtion for you. Gareth. Is there a quesÂtion you parÂticÂuÂlarÂly like me to ask you,
Gareth HarÂvey 18:34
if you’re going rather than lookÂing at superÂmarÂkets, the one area I think it’s the most fun is going to look at restauÂrant menus is one of my favourite comÂmerÂcial jobs is designÂing restauÂrant menus. So it’s a case of it’s not just tryÂing to work out to get peoÂple to spend the most. But it’s often thinkÂing about well, which dishÂes have the highÂest profÂit marÂgin. So it’s tryÂing to work how we encourÂage them. So you’ll always thought hopeÂfulÂly, you’ll see anchorÂing is a comÂmon thing. But you’ll realÂly see we dropped the curÂrenÂcy symÂbol, we dropped the decÂiÂmal point. There’s things where you play around with the fonts. Yeah, there may be the more comÂpliÂcatÂed of fonts more calÂligÂraÂphy based, the hardÂer it is to process and from a perÂcepÂtuÂal fluÂenÂcy, the more expenÂsive it feels. Now, that may be a good thing if it’s a luxÂuÂry restauÂrant, if it’s a cheapÂer one. ActuÂalÂly, it’s not realÂly so great.
Jo EverÂshed 19:19
That is so tricksy, I am actuÂalÂly a masÂsive fan of the new thing they’re doing in the UK where they show you the caloÂries as well as the price and it has comÂpleteÂly changed my behavÂiour. I know some peoÂple aren’t a fan. They know it’s a comÂpliÂcatÂed disÂcusÂsion point. But I feel like I am spendÂing both monÂey and caloÂries on a day by day basis. And it’s amazÂing because some of the dishÂes that I thought were healthy turns out they’re not.
Gareth HarÂvey 19:40
Yeah, the othÂer one is someÂthing they’ve strugÂgled with with the menu design because in the past, they often put healthy secÂtions have a healthy secÂtion or a low caloÂrie secÂtion. And they found that when they did that it genÂerÂalÂly decreased the likeÂliÂhood that someÂone would order it partÂly because if it’s a low calorifÂic, or low fat, we assume it’s less tasty. So they actuÂalÂly they had that was one negÂaÂtive. So when they actuÂalÂly put it in as part of the main menu and put the caloÂrie inforÂmaÂtion in had a slightÂly betÂter influence.
Jo EverÂshed 20:06
Ah, very interÂestÂing. There was one quesÂtion from the audiÂence, which actuÂalÂly is a quesÂtion I had as well. What’s this amazÂing tech you’re using where you get to sit in front of your slides, it’s so much more engaging.
Gareth HarÂvey 20:15
I’m using OBS. OBS. So it’s comÂpleteÂly free. And it was a simÂple case of it’s norÂmalÂly much betÂter than this, but I’m workÂing at a friend’s house today and I didÂn’t have time to set it up propÂerÂly, but um, OBS Open BroadÂcast System.
Jo EverÂshed 20:31
I will put the link into the chat for everyÂbody else who might be interesting.

