Niko SteinÂbeis, UCL
@LabDcp
Full TranÂscript:
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
Okay, here you go. Thank you so much, Jo, for the wonÂderÂful inviÂtaÂtion to come here. Are there you go, start my video. To present here today. It’s a realÂly wonÂderÂful opporÂtuÂniÂty and it’s actuÂalÂly pretÂty much one of the first times that we’re going to be preÂsentÂing data from the games that we have designed togethÂer with CaulÂdron. So the topÂic of the talk is TrainÂing CogÂniÂtive ConÂtrol Using a GamÂiÂfied Approach, and I’ll take you through step by step what exactÂly it is that we mean by that. In terms of the backÂground, then what exactÂly it is that we mean by cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol? So this is very much to do with someÂthing that we are tryÂing to achieve each day, that is reach and manÂage goals on a short term and a longterm basis. So we go throughÂout our day tryÂing to achieve those goals, be it makÂing breakÂfast, or getÂting some work done in the short-term, or slightÂly more long-term and more ambiÂtious goals, such as tryÂing to lose weight, or climbÂing the MatÂterÂhorn in SwitzerÂland or even pubÂlishÂing in nature.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
So we’re tryÂing to navÂiÂgate our day-to-day in achievÂing these goals and to be able to do that, we need to keep focus on the goal. We need to keep it in mind. And more imporÂtantÂly, we need to try and resist tempÂtaÂtion on the way of achievÂing that goal. And that requires us to inhibÂit impulsÂes that would stop us from achievÂing those long-term goals. So cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol then in terms of a more forÂmal defÂiÂnÂiÂtion, supÂports flexÂiÂble and adapÂtive responsÂes to enviÂronÂmenÂtal changes in the purÂsuit of goals that we have in mind. And it’s been shown to be incredÂiÂbly imporÂtant for a range of othÂer domains and real life outÂcomes. So it supÂports qualÂiÂty of relaÂtionÂships. It is very preÂdicÂtive of acaÂdÂeÂmÂic attainÂment. It’s strongÂly relatÂed to wellÂbeÂing, as well as menÂtal and physÂiÂcal health. And even more imporÂtantÂly, the extent or abilÂiÂties of cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol durÂing childÂhood, are highÂly, highÂly preÂdicÂtive of cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol latÂer life and all those othÂer outÂcomes and aspects relates to cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol latÂer in life.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
So as such, it’s a realÂly founÂdaÂtionÂal cogÂniÂtive skill that’s imporÂtant for a range of domains, which are realÂly imporÂtant for latÂer life sucÂcess and wellÂbeÂing. Now, givÂen that cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol plays such a core role in our everyÂday lives, there’s been a lot of disÂcusÂsion and attempts to try and supÂport cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol and improve it through dedÂiÂcatÂed trainÂings. So I’ll talk a litÂtle bit about plasÂticÂiÂty and the litÂerÂaÂture so far on plasÂticÂiÂty of cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol. So it’s a realÂly, realÂly imporÂtant quesÂtion givÂen how imporÂtant execÂuÂtive funcÂtions and cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol are for latÂer life. Well-being now so far today, most of the work and attempts to try and approve conÂtent conÂtrol have focused on workÂing memÂoÂry. So that’s the abilÂiÂty to keep inforÂmaÂtion in mind. So if we relate this to keepÂing goals in mind, workÂing memÂoÂry is very, very imporÂtant. If we keep forÂgetÂting what it is that we wantÂed to do, then we wouldÂn’t be able to achieve it in the first place that workÂing memÂoÂry plays a realÂly imporÂtant role in all of this.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
But the eviÂdence has been quite limÂitÂed in terms of studÂies on trainÂing cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol. So it’s been priÂmarÂiÂly focused on workÂing memÂoÂry. And the basic logÂic behind tryÂing to improve cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol of workÂing memÂoÂry in this parÂticÂuÂlar case is this, that we see a very strong relaÂtionÂship in chilÂdren for instance, between indiÂvidÂual difÂferÂences or abilÂiÂties in workÂing memÂoÂry, so the extent to which we can keep inforÂmaÂtion in mind and acaÂdÂeÂmÂic achieveÂments such as math or readÂing or IQ. So there’s a very well estabÂlished relaÂtionÂship between the two. And the idea is then that if we try and improve or train workÂing memÂoÂry, we also ought to see assoÂciÂatÂed improveÂment in these relatÂed domains, such as acaÂdÂeÂmÂic achieveÂment and IQ, but we don’t actuÂalÂly see that. So by now there’s a lot of eviÂdence that these so-called far transÂferÂence and effects are extremeÂly eluÂsive and very, very difÂfiÂcult to get.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
And this is bafÂfling for a range of difÂferÂent reaÂsons because we know that expeÂriÂences genÂerÂalÂize in long-lastÂing ways and natÂurÂal learnÂing conÂtext. So just takÂing eduÂcaÂtion for instance. And we also know that execÂuÂtive funcÂtions or cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol, it can be perÂsisÂtentÂly affectÂed by negÂaÂtive events. So stress for instance, that can realÂly impact cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol in long lastÂing way. So why is it so hard to realÂly improve and train cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol in long-lastÂing ways? So the main quesÂtion that we’ve purÂsued in our lab is whether improvÂing cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol transÂfers to othÂer domains, and if it does, whether it’s also durable?
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
So I’ll talk a litÂtle bit about the trainÂing and go to the actuÂal approach that we use to do this, which is where CaulÂdron came in and has been incredÂiÂbly creÂative and, yeah, supÂportÂive tryÂing to get this off the ground. So the basic idea is that at the very core of all of this is a very simÂple cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol task. This is called a Stop SigÂnal ReacÂtion Time Task, where parÂticÂiÂpants are asked to respond to the preÂsenÂtaÂtion of a visuÂal stimÂuÂlus on a screen. Each time they see a cirÂcle for instance, they’re meant to press a butÂton. On some triÂals, 25% of the triÂals, they hear an audiÂtoÂry stimÂuÂlus. And when they hear the audiÂtoÂry stimÂuÂlus, which is played with a very, very short delay after the visuÂal stimÂuÂlus, they have to inhibÂit. And what’s interÂestÂing is that the delay between the go sigÂnal and the stop sigÂnal waxÂes and wanes with indiÂvidÂual perÂforÂmance. And the shortÂer the delay is the easÂiÂer it is to inhibÂit. And the longer the delay is the hardÂer it is to inhibit.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
So this is a very simÂple test, which allows us to look at indiÂvidÂual difÂferÂences in cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol abilÂiÂties, but also the fact that there is such a thing as a Stop SigÂnal Delay, which is what this is called. It allows us to use this to actuÂalÂly train inhiÂbiÂtion in a realÂly nice and well conÂtrolled and adapÂtive fashÂion. So that’s exactÂly what we did. We leverÂaged this parÂticÂuÂlar very, very simÂple cogÂniÂtive task to train inhiÂbiÂtion. So we have two groups, two groups that trained, one was the cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol trainÂing or what we call the experÂiÂmenÂtal group. They were asked to respond to the go sigÂnal and to inhibÂit to the stop sigÂnal. That was the experÂiÂmenÂtal group. And then we had a conÂtrol group, which just, a trained response speed. So every time they saw the visuÂal stimÂuÂlus, they pressed a butÂton as fast as they could.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
What was realÂly imporÂtant is that the task got easÂiÂer and hardÂer dependÂing on how good indiÂvidÂual parÂticÂiÂpants were over indiÂvidÂual trainÂings. Now, one of the core chalÂlenges in all of this is that we need lots and lots of trainÂing to see durable effects. So what we went for, we designed a trainÂing that lastÂed eight weeks in total and where our parÂticÂiÂpants were asked to train four times a week. And to make sure that they actuÂalÂly do this trainÂing as well, we had to impleÂment a couÂple of feaÂtures. And again, that’s where the creÂativÂiÂty of CaulÂdron came in. So first off we optÂed to makÂing this gamÂiÂfied. We preÂsentÂed parÂticÂiÂpants with this task. They would get bored very, very quickÂly. And in our parÂticÂuÂlar case, we were lookÂing at chilÂdren to sort of increase the impact of all of this. And if we didÂn’t make this in a gamÂiÂfied fashÂion, interÂestÂing fashÂion, then they get very, very bored and drop out very quickly.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
So the gamÂiÂfiÂcaÂtion was absoluteÂly key. And I’ll give you a couÂple of examÂples, how we did this. We tried to make it very variÂable throughÂout. And we made it adapÂtive. So as I said, the trainÂing got easÂiÂer and hardÂer, dependÂing on how good our parÂticÂiÂpants were. We made it comÂplex and diverse. So I’ll show you exactÂly how we did that. So we preÂsentÂed to them with an overÂarÂchÂing narÂraÂtive by telling them that they had crashed a plane. They were a pilot and they’d crashed a plane in the desert. And to fix their plane, they needÂed to find the Sage. The Sage was able to give them spare parts, and to get the spare parts from the Sage they needÂed to colÂlect treaÂsure along the way. And to get the treaÂsure, they navÂiÂgatÂed these difÂferÂent worlds. And in these worlds they were preÂsentÂed with tasks that gave them treaÂsure, but also these tasks were used to train cogÂniÂtive control.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
So I’ll just give a short video here. So this is just a visuÂal preÂsenÂtaÂtion here. This is where our parÂticÂiÂpants were at any givÂen point in the worlds which they navÂiÂgatÂed. So here they are just about to enter a world. And we gave them a couÂple of choicÂes in terms of the kind of world that they’re about to enter. Before each game they were givÂen instrucÂtions and here is one of the sets of instrucÂtions. So here they were meant to press a butÂton each time they see a rock. But someÂtimes there would be a gem disÂplayed in the rock. And when that hapÂpens, there you go they weren’t meant to press the butÂtons. So that’s exactÂly an indiÂcaÂtion of go triÂal and the stop triÂal. So you had eight difÂferÂent games designed like this, and we changed the setÂting, we changed the conÂtext in ways to try and make this interÂestÂing and engaging.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
So what I’m going to present to you now… Isn’t it fun? I love these games. So what I’m going to present to you now, a litÂtle bit more of the methÂods and then some of the data in terms of how chilÂdren actuÂalÂly engage with these games. So we use this trainÂing to address what the effect of cogÂniÂtive conÂtrol trainÂing is on varÂiÂous outÂcome meaÂsures. And whether these effects hold up after one year folÂlowup. We looked at this in 209 chilÂdren from the Greater LonÂdon Area. The mean age was around nine years. And here’s the basic design, we had pre-trainÂing of a parÂticÂuÂlar set of transÂfer domains or trainÂing domains. We looked at execÂuÂtive funcÂtions, deciÂsion-makÂing tasks, menÂtal health, and acaÂdÂeÂmÂic achieveÂment, as well as brain strucÂture and brain funcÂtion. Then chilÂdren engaged in eight weeks of the trainÂing. And we looked at whether there was any change as a funcÂtion of the trainÂing immeÂdiÂateÂly afterÂwards. And then one year afterwards.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
Now we all know what hapÂpened a year and a half ago, less than a year and a half ago, COVID struck. So we’re a litÂtle bit flumÂmoxed by this, but again, because all of this was done online, we could navÂiÂgate this realÂly, realÂly beauÂtiÂfulÂly. And that was a huge plus of havÂing designed all of this in the way that we had with, with CaulÂdron. So I’m not going to present you any of the transÂfer. What I’ll show you now is just how exactÂly chilÂdren engage with the trainÂing. Because this is so incredÂiÂbly excitÂing and encourÂagÂing for a range of difÂferÂent reaÂsons. So first I’m going to look at the actuÂal amount of trainÂing [inaudiÂble 00:11:03] total. There were 32 sesÂsions that chilÂdren could have done over the eight weeks. And what we see here, here’s the experÂiÂmenÂtal group, here’s the conÂtrol group. We see realÂly nice norÂmal disÂtriÂbÂuÂtion. And we see that overÂall chilÂdren parÂticÂiÂpatÂing around 18 trainÂing sessions.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
Each trainÂing sesÂsion lasts around 15 minÂutes and some even made it right through up until the 32. So that it’s realÂly, realÂly nice. What’s parÂticÂuÂlarÂly nice is that chilÂdren in both groups trained approxÂiÂmateÂly equalÂly. So there are no difÂferÂences between the groups and that makes it realÂly nice because we can then genÂuineÂly comÂpare any effects pre-post due to the nature of the trainÂing, as opposed to the amount of trainÂing that chilÂdren had engaged in. AnothÂer feaÂture that we impleÂment just to engage motiÂvaÂtion, is we had a couÂple of bonus games after each trainÂing sesÂsion, chilÂdren trainÂing. So what we have here is the perÂcent of bonus games that chilÂdren engaged in. And what we see around 30% of the bonus games were actuÂalÂly takÂen up on. Which is again, quite a nice feaÂture [inaudiÂble 00:12:07] where we motiÂvatÂed to do more of the trainÂing. Then we had actuÂalÂly asked them to. And again, this is comÂpaÂraÂble between the two groups.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
Now it gets betÂter. So we also asked chilÂdren… So each week we did the trainÂing at school, and at school, we gave them a litÂtle quesÂtionÂnaire to ask them how much they enjoyed the trainÂing, how much they liked it, whether they felt they’d gotÂten betÂter at whatÂevÂer it is that they were trainÂing. So what we see here, the top score is 40. So we sum these over sevÂen quesÂtions. The top score is 40. And here we’ve got the means. The means are sort of reaÂsonÂable, I think chilÂdren were pretÂty engaged throughÂout and it was simÂiÂlar for both groups. And now what’s realÂly, realÂly strikÂing is here we see the motiÂvaÂtion change over the weeks of trainÂing that hapÂpened. What we actuÂalÂly see is that both groups seem to increase in terms of their motivation.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
So even though the trainÂing itself was a sigÂnifÂiÂcant porÂtion of time that they did each week, but chilÂdren actuÂalÂly became more motiÂvatÂed doing the trainÂing. And that was absoluteÂly incredÂiÂble and realÂly, realÂly surÂprisÂing because usuÂalÂly what you’d see, the more you do someÂthing, unless it’s actuÂalÂly incredÂiÂbly enjoyÂable, you’ll see a drop in motiÂvaÂtion. But we don’t see that here, we actuÂalÂly see an increase in motiÂvaÂtion. That’s realÂly, realÂly loveÂly. So again, wonÂderÂful. And it’s comÂpaÂraÂble across the two groups. And now what I’m going to show you is just the extent to which the chilÂdren improved on the tasks that they actuÂalÂly trained durÂing the trainÂing. So here we have the inhiÂbiÂtion meaÂsure, and this is the group of chilÂdren that did the inhiÂbiÂtion, and here we see the abilÂiÂty to inhibÂit across the difÂferÂent sessions.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
And what’s absoluteÂly amazÂing is that virÂtuÂalÂly all chilÂdren improve on the core tasks that we wantÂed to train with inhiÂbiÂtion. And we saw exactÂly the same for our conÂtrol group. So the chilÂdren that trained inhiÂbiÂtion improved on inhiÂbiÂtion, the chilÂdren that trained on response speed, improved on response speed. So with these data, we realÂly are in the best posÂsiÂble posiÂtion to actuÂalÂly look at our effects and our transÂfer effects as genÂuine. It doesÂn’t realÂly matÂter almost at this point, whether we see anyÂthing or not, the trainÂing itself has worked extremeÂly well in terms of engageÂment, in terms of motiÂvaÂtion. And in terms of improving-
Jo:
SorÂry about that. We don’t know what hapÂpened for some reaÂson. The sesÂsion just endÂed. You had got to your slide where you were showÂing us the impact of the trainÂing schools on the SSRT and in your conÂtrol conÂdiÂtion. Can you go back to that slide?
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
Yeah.
Jo:
In fact, there’s a quesÂtion from one of the parÂticÂiÂpants is did the conÂtrol parÂticÂiÂpants improve on the SSRT?
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
No, the conÂtrol conÂdiÂtion their aim was to just get faster basiÂcalÂly at respondÂing. So the improveÂment for the SSRT was only seen for the group that trained SSRT and the conÂtrol parÂticÂiÂpants only improved on reacÂtion time. So they got faster.
Jo:
BrilÂliant. Now, why don’t you conÂtinÂue from where you left off?
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
Sure. I mean, it’s pretÂty much done actuÂalÂly, I’m so sorÂry. So just want to conÂclude, the trainÂing uptake was realÂly excelÂlent. ParÂticÂiÂpants were very motiÂvatÂed, which even increased over time. Key cogÂniÂtive funcÂtions that were meant to be trained improved. So we’re realÂly in an absolute ideÂal posiÂtion from which to examÂine near and far transÂfer effect. So to refÂerÂence the Sage, games are pretÂty close to perÂfect. Did you cogÂniÂtive trainÂing studÂies with chilÂdren. Which is absoluteÂly wonÂderÂful. So yeah, just thankÂing the lab, the funÂders, you for your attenÂtion and obviÂousÂly CaulÂdron and for the wonÂderÂful, wonÂderÂful, extremeÂly accomÂmoÂdatÂing and patient colÂlabÂoÂraÂtion. It was realÂly terÂrifÂic. And I think these results absoluteÂly speak for themselves.
Jo:
Yeah. Well, you’re more than welÂcome Niko, the work you and your team do is realÂly extraÂorÂdiÂnary. Now I was sayÂing this before you joined in, so many researchers have been tryÂing to meaÂsure transÂfer effects in the lab and have failed to do this for years and years and years. And you have sucÂceedÂed, or at least we’ve got the beginÂnings of a glimpse that you are sucÂceedÂing. What impact do you think that’s going to have on your area of research and relatÂed areas of research? What does this open up as for possibilities?
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
I mean, I guess the jury is potenÂtialÂly still a litÂtle bit out on whether we actuÂalÂly have transÂfer effects. I think we’re in the best posÂsiÂble posiÂtion to realÂly examÂine whether we do. And I think the amount of data that we have colÂlectÂed gives us a huge amount of leverÂage in terms of being able to underÂstand why the trainÂing would be effecÂtive. Because we recordÂed every sinÂgle sesÂsion of a parÂticÂiÂpant. We can look at the waxÂing and wanÂing across sesÂsions. We can look at the flucÂtuÂaÂtions and that gives an enorÂmous scope to realÂly explore what it is that potenÂtialÂly leads to and explain transÂfer effects.
Dr Niko SteinÂbeis:
So, I mean, I think if we do end up demonÂstratÂing that this is posÂsiÂble, I think that’d be just hugeÂly excitÂing because on the one hand showÂing that chilÂdren are very motiÂvatÂed to do this. I think there would be a lot of scope to try and colÂlabÂoÂrate with schools in terms of impleÂmentÂing this more in the curÂricuÂlum. Both on the one hand, lookÂing at posÂiÂtive effects on menÂtal health, but also lookÂing at attainÂment. But also lookÂing at social abilÂiÂties and qualÂiÂty of social relaÂtionÂships. I think these are aspects that matÂter masÂsiveÂly to child develÂopÂment. And I think if we do realÂly genÂuineÂly show some transÂfer effects, then the potenÂtial for the appliÂcaÂtion is absoluteÂly enorÂmous, absoluteÂly enorÂmous. Yeah.


